Trombone equivalent to Claude Gordon, Cat Anderson and Roy Stevens (trumpet)

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:26 pm

So what would be the trombone equivalent to the above trumpet embouchure development (with emphasis on efficient set up and expanding register? Is there any substantial differences?

ttf_William Lang · Post by **ttf_William Lang** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:24 pm

ahhhh reading comprehension...

anyways - cool to know there's a low brass version of the book - the trumpet version is still good to read from though - the lessons are transferable across the brass family, i believe.

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:57 pm

Quote from: bonenick on Jun 08, 2017, 02:26PMSo what would be the trombone equivalent to the above trumpet embouchure development

the trombone equivalent of the Claude Gordon trumpet method

ttf_baileyman · Post by **ttf_baileyman** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:21 pm

Copy Skip Layton. Check him out on Kenton's 1947 Machito. That's him battling with Buddy Childers at the end for the highest note. If you can't copy Skip, well, the first part of winning is to choose your race.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kenton+machito&&view=detail&mid=B4E570F0DB985DFCCC79B4E570F0DB985DFCCC79&FORM=VRDGAR

ttf_Graham Martin · Post by **ttf_Graham Martin** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:32 pm

I think you would have to ask Dave Steinmeyer.

Just listen to his ending on "Through The Eyes Of Love":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdiQ2X2nC_o

Von is pretty good also and there are some lessons on high notes shown below the video.

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:58 pm

The famous unfurling of the lips, used by some trumpet lead trumpeters - I tried to implemented on my tenor playing, so far a complete failure - I guess that the rim size is just too large for that - anyone opinions on that?

ttf_William Lang · Post by **ttf_William Lang** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:50 am

Quote from: bonenick on Jun 12, 2017, 02:58PMThe famous unfurling of the lips, used by some trumpet lead trumpeters - I tried to implemented on my tenor playing, so far a complete failure - I guess that the rim size is just too large for that - anyone opinions on that?

yeah don't do that

ttf_svenlarsson · Post by **ttf_svenlarsson** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:43 am

Quote from: bonenick on Jun 12, 2017, 02:58PMThe famous unfurling of the lips, used by some trumpet lead trumpeters - I tried to implemented on my tenor playing, so far a complete failure - I guess that the rim size is just too large for that - anyone opinions on that?

Have you tried that on your trumpet?

Actually I have tried it on trombone in the 60s, it worked a limited way. The problem wasn´t the rim but the sound and low range. In those days I tried lots of strange things. Man of those thing on trombone.

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:24 am

Quote from: svenlarsson on Jun 14, 2017, 12:43AMHave you tried that on your trumpet?
Yes, it works for me on trumpet. It took me some experimenting practice, but I found it helpful. However, on my SS tenor 7C it just feels weird, the mouthpiece has a very little contact with the unfurled tissue, so it hinders more that it helps.

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:24 am

Quote from: svenlarsson on Jun 14, 2017, 12:43AMHave you tried that on your trumpet?
Yes, it works for me on trumpet. It took me some experimenting practice, but I found it helpful. However, on my SS tenor 7C it just feels weird, the mouthpiece has a very little contact with the unfurled tissue, so it hinders more that it helps.