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Bach 36: Warburton 7M (T4)
Conn 88H: Warburton 7D (Symphony T)
Conn 62H: Conn 3

In the 5+ decades I have been playing, I have not experimented with mouthpieces anywhere near what I see from many folks on this board. Varying mouthpieces across different sized horns, I do like to keep the rim size constant. I played Giardinelli 3M and 3D (screw-rims) for a long time, then moved to Wick (4BS) on my main axe, a Bach 36. Loved it, but at a time when I was not playing enough, endurance became an issue. I like that Warburtons offer so many choices, and screw-on backbores.

I have played the same Conn 3 mouthpiece on bass forever - it came with the horn. I cannot take a _big_ mouthpiece. Even a 2G makes me uncomfortable. When I see you peeps talking about your 1G's and 0AL's I start to hyperventilate!

Thanks for this thread. Interesting to see!

Small bore: Bach 7C - Not comfortable to play on need to change
Large Bore: Hammond 12ML

davebb wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:17 am (Based on the results above) Does anybody in their right mind play a Bach 4G (or 5G).? I was expecting to see more.
(Apologies to any 4G or 5G players who have payed above )

I primarily played on any one of a few 5Gs I have owned up until I got my new horn earlier this year. I pulled the Hammond out of the drawer when I got it, and it just sounds and feels a lot better on that horn.

King 2103F/3BF: Benge 6.5AL or Bach 5G depending what I'm playing
Edwards T-350: Griego 5 NY blank
Getzen 1052FDR: Getzen 1 1/2 - I tried several different sizes and brands and ended up with the mp that came with the horn.

Elliott LT N 104, C/C2 or C+/D2

Yamaha YSL-891z: Stork T1
Yamaha YSL-640: Stork T1
Yamaha YSL-882OR: Stork BT4.5
Yamaha YBL-613: Stork BT1.5

Yamaha 45C with gold plated rim, cup & backbore

Seriously, where did all the AR Resonances go? Last year people couldn't stop putting pictures of those things on this forum.

harrisonreed wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:17 pm Seriously, where did all the AR Resonances go? Last year people couldn't stop putting pictures of those things on this forum.

I played one for a while, they’re very easy to play and are different to almost anything else I’ve tried, but I just prefer the sound I get with my MV 6.5a and Doug Elliot pieces.

A few guys in my town still play them and sound great. I’m talking small bore here, I’m not sure if his large tenor and bass pieces really took off.

Rusty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:47 am


A few guys in my town still play them and sound great. I’m talking small bore here, I’m not sure if his large tenor and bass pieces really took off.

I got a chance to check out all the bass pieces at a festival last year. The smaller stuff may have been good, but he didn't have anything very large, deep, or open (i'm talking even a 1.25 size cup depth). That's probably a big old portion of the market left out.

This is what I've found works best with my face and preferred horns right now. I feel like there's still room for improvement but I'm not in a position to go on a wild goose chase looking for the "perfect" mouthpiece for every horn I have...

Bass: Bach 1G Megatone (Benge 290)
Large bore tenor: Benge 1.5G (King 5B)
Small bore tenor: "Carl Fischer" 11C ("The Indiana" trombone, close to Martin Committee)

Bass - Schilke-Reichenbach (everything except orchestral), Ferguson-L (orchestral)
.547 Tenor - Elliott 100G/G8
.525 Tenor - Elliott MT100G/D4
Small Tenor and Alto - Elliott 95G/B2

Bass 1 1/2G , 1 1/4G, depending on the job. I am testing "Mr Bass" , interestng.
547 tenor 5G. 525 tenor 6 1/2 , 500 tenor 11C or Giardinelly (#?)

Navigating my way to a Doug Elliot Mouthpiece. Got a XT 103 rim I love and now trying to decide if a D cup is too big and if I should go C or C+. Not yet got the two Cs.

Tenor (.500") - modern King 12C (I believe same as the CKB's?) or Parduba *5* with the throat opened a bit.
Bass - Marcinkiewicz 8H/6.5AL or Schilke 57 (depending on the gig)

I use and love

Large Tenor DE XT102 with H Cup
Bass Bone DE LB110 With K cup

Small tenor / Alto DE LT100 Or 99 with F, D, C or B cup depending what I’m doing.

Bass: Holton E185, Symington 2
Symph. Tenor : Holton 168 with E185 slide, Pickett 3S custom (Remington throat/backbore)
Tenor: 1921 Conn 78H, Pickett 3-5S custom (Bach 11C throat/backbore)

Bach 1 1/4 g with Remington shank for my 62h
Bach 6 1/2 g with Remington shank for my 88h

Alto trombone: Marcinkiewicz ET7
Small Tenor trombone (.500): modified Bach 11C
Large bore Tenor trombone (.547): Marcinkiewicz ET1
Euphonium: XO5G
Bass Trombone: Marcinkiewicz 105
3/4 Tuba: Denis Wick Heritage 1L
4/4 Tuba: Selmansberger Symphony with MO Large HLB rim

bigbandbone wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:47 am Bach 15CW and Denis Wick 0AL

Since posting this I realized the 0AL was a little too big for me. I've settled in on a 1AL. Time will tell.

On my bass trombone (Holton TR181) I've just changed from a Rath B1.5W to a Rath CB2B. Liking it a lot so far

Tenor trombone - Schilke 52E2
Basses - Griego .25

Bass bone: Elliott 111W rim various cups, mostly a Laskey 85MD threaded to take Elliott bass rims
Large tenor, Euphonium: King 4G one came used with a horn I bought and found as a surprise I liked it a lot!
Bach 36 Elliott 101E4
Small Tenor, bass trumpet: Elliott 101D3
Alto (seldom need to play) Elliott 100C with alto shank
Tuba: Yamaha 66

harrisonreed wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:17 pm Seriously, where did all the AR Resonances go? Last year people couldn't stop putting pictures of those things on this forum.

I did play one on my bass for some time. Very easy to play fast response. But does not make it easy to blend with a section where all the players played "normal" mpc. It have a tendency to sound nasty.

My setups are a little small all the way around (even on tuba), but it works for me.
Bass - Schilke Reichenbach (gold) (in between a Schilke 58 & 59) for everything except orchestral, Ferguson L (gold) (about the same as a Schilke 59 rim with a 60 cup) for orchestral
Large tenor - Elliott 100G/G8 (equivalent to a Bach 6.5 rim with a 4G cup)
Medium tenor - Elliott MT100G/D4 (equivalent to a Bach 6.5)
Small tenor - Elliott 95G/B2 (equivalent to a Bach 17)

Small Bore Tenor: Hammond 12 S
Large Bore Tenor: Hammond 12 ML
Euphonium: Hammond 12 XL
Bass: Bach 2G, but I haven't played bass in years.

Basically, I found a rim that I like and just adjust the cup/shank size for each use case. I used to use a Bach 4G and later a Wick Heritage 4 AL on everything (I'm more of a euphonium player by trade and education), which honestly worked well enough. A slightly smaller cup size on trombone helped me get away from the whole 'slide euphonium' sound concept.

Hi Everyone,

Just thought I would say thanks for responding so far. Interesting to see what people are using. I personally have recently bought some new mouthpieces for the first time in about 7 years and the following will be the set ups for the next month or so:

Shires Bass: Schilke 59 or Hammond 21BXL
Shires Tenor: Lindberg 4CL
Bach 42BOG: Wick 4.5AL
Conn 18H: Schilke 51D or Yamaha 48

Hope you are all well.

For me, it's all Hammond stuff:

Alto: 10S
525/547 tenor: 10MXL
547 tenor: 10ML
Bass: 21BXL with enlarged throat and backbore

Yes, I've tried smaller rims on alto, and I sound worse. I have tried smaller pieces on all horns, actually, and I sound and feel best on these.

.508: Yamaha Nils Landgren

.525: Yamaha 48

.547: don't play much anymore, but when I was, I was using a Yamaha 51C4. If I pulled it out tomorrow, I would probably just put the 48 in it.

(basically, now that there is no band, I am playing the .508 with the Nils Landgren pretty much exclusively. Sometimes I stick the 48 in there, and that works well, but the horn and I are both just a little more musical with the Nils Landgren)

Denis Wick 3AL Heritage in .548

.547 Yamaha YSL-8820g Greg black 1-1/2GM/Bach 1-1/2GM
.562 Yamaha YBL-620g laskey 93d/Greg Black 1GM
.562 Yamaha YBL-830 Greg Black 1gl .312 #2/0g

Weight difference, between bore size and resonance, has a huge effect on projection as well. Waiting on an 0gl .312 #2 now.

Oh boy. This is a somewhat loaded question.

For Alto Trombone and Jazz Tenor, I use a Bach 7C, 6 3/4C, and a Ferguson 11C, which are all about the same size.

For regular tenor, I use mouthpieces that are roughly an old Bach 4G size, with a smaller cup. These include a Laskey 59MD, a Hammond 11ML, a Hammond 11L, and a Ferguson B-series 4G-5G

For Bass Trombone, my current main squeeze is a Ferguson L, based on a Minick L. I also use a Laskey 85MD, and have a Ferguson JR and LS that I use.

Tenor: Hammond 10ML, MXL...and for bass on tenor, a Yamaha 58.
Bass: Hammond 20BL and a Benge 59. As Chad Arnow indicated prior, the small 3 / big 4 rim diameter size suits me best on tenor, although I do keep a Faxx 4G (old-sized Bach) and 6.5AL in the closet.

I`ve recently made a "Covid stay at home" change .
I acquired a Mount Vernon Bach 12C and a 12. I`m loving the sound and control.
For my 36 - 7C
36B - Elliott 98/E
42BO - 98/F/F* - I just tried Doug`s new F* backbore - WOW !!!! great Sound.

I'm experimenting using my single-trigger bass as a multi-purpose tenor and bass - both with a Bach 3G mpc. For what I want to do, it seems to work well. Kinda nice to play a high ballad and then turn around and play a low ballad (or the same one down an octave) without having to switch horns and/or mpcs. Also kinda nice to do big octave jumps within a ballad. And Rochut really sings on it.

I was hesitant at first, but then I figured it's only me playing in my music studio and if Curtis Fuller & Slide Hampton could use a large tenor in public where others were using small tenors - why not experiment with taking it a step further.

OTOH, if I was going to do a multi-track, then I would want to get more timbre separation by using the "correct" equipment for each part.

Small Tenor: Bach 6.5AL (tried nearly everything out there, and I just always seem to go back to it)

Medium Tenor: Bach 5 and Bach 5GS

Large Tenor: Doug Elliott 104N/G/G8

Bass: Schilke 58 (I find my articulations on this one much better than my Bach 1.5G). I also have a bigger Doug Elliott I keep around for anytime our orchestra has a pops concert (hellooooooo, John Williams).

Euph: Doug Elliott 104N/I/I8

I play the Symington 1.5. Have been a little back an forward on the Bach 1 1/2g Mt Vernon but they are in the same ballpark. Anyway, here is a little piece my daughter 9 years old demands me to play. An Elvis Presley song "Cant help falling in love" on the Symington 1.5. (She is an Elvis "fan") I admit its a little boring compared to Elvis ....


https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhdZOvmq ... w?e=1FR3Mw

Small bore: King M31 on a Conn 4H
Large Bore: Bob Reeves Gladstone 5G on a King 4B

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 am I play the Symington 1.5. Have been a little back an forward on the Bach 1 1/2g Mt Vernon but they are in the same ballpark. Anyway, here is a little piece my daughter 9 years old demands me to play. An Elvis Presley song "Cant help falling in love" on the Symington 1.5. (She is an Elvis "fan") I admit its a little boring compared to Elvis ....


https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhdZOvmq ... w?e=1FR3Mw

Nice!

/Tom

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 am ... here is a little piece my daughter 9 years old demands me to play. An Elvis Presley song "Cant help falling in love" on the Symington 1.5.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhdZOvmq ... w?e=1FR3Mw

Very nice, Leif!

Very nice Leif. 70H ?

Chris

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 am I play the Symington 1.5. Have been a little back an forward on the Bach 1 1/2g Mt Vernon but they are in the same ballpark. Anyway, here is a little piece my daughter 9 years old demands me to play. An Elvis Presley song "Cant help falling in love" on the Symington 1.5. (She is an Elvis "fan") I admit its a little boring compared to Elvis ....


https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhdZOvmq ... w?e=1FR3Mw

The Symington is a really special piece! Glad you were able to get one from Bill!

I'm assuming you're using one in brass?

FOSSIL wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:33 am Very nice Leif. 70H ?

Chris

Yes Chris, the one you tried!

mrdeacon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:35 am

Savio wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 am I play the Symington 1.5. Have been a little back an forward on the Bach 1 1/2g Mt Vernon but they are in the same ballpark. Anyway, here is a little piece my daughter 9 years old demands me to play. An Elvis Presley song "Cant help falling in love" on the Symington 1.5. (She is an Elvis "fan") I admit its a little boring compared to Elvis ....


https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnFhNyFesmcYhdZOvmq ... w?e=1FR3Mw

The Symington is a really special piece! Glad you were able to get one from Bill!

I'm assuming you're using one in brass?

Yes, its brass. Dont have money to try the another ones right now.

Leif

Beautiful Leif!

dukesboneman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:40 pm I`ve recently made a "Covid stay at home" change .
I acquired a Mount Vernon Bach 12C and a 12. I`m loving the sound and control.
For my 36 - 7C
36B - Elliott 98/E
42BO - 98/F/F* - I just tried Doug`s new F* backbore - WOW !!!! great Sound.

I'll second that Doug's newer shank designs are ludacrisly good.

dukesboneman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:40 pm I`ve recently made a "Covid stay at home" change .
I acquired a Mount Vernon Bach 12C and a 12. I`m loving the sound and control.

Gee I wonder where you got that 12C from. Glad you are liking it.

DE LT100L/C/C2 in a Conn 6H

Thein alto: 15cl/13cl

Edwards large tenor: Griego Alessi 4D w/ DE 104N rim

Edwards bass: Griego GP6

Hello. I am using:
King Sonorus 42 tenor trombone with A Griego 5M.
Conn 70H 1928 bass trombone with Yamaha 59L-GP & Griego 2. Dillon valve trombone with Bach 6 1/2A

Small Tenor DE XT MN103/D/D2
Large Tenor: DE XT MN103/G*/G8