TromboneChat

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:22 am

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 12:04 pm

Geezis, that's harsh.

Some people just cannot help themselves. He's one of them. It takes more self control for some to acknowledge greatness than poke fun of someone's age or longevity. Usually comes from someone who could never sustain a job at that level both physically and mentally. Hence the nasty "X-like" social media quip. We should all be so lucky to earn and keep a job for that long.

With some people I get the sense that it's a combination of professional jealousy and a general disdain for elders. Both of which of course are dispicable and short sighted. Regardless how old you're not right now, it's highly possible that you might live past 40 and become something you despise. Just saying.

I do admire people who can play as good as Jay Friedman can do, especially at his age. It just proves he knows his business. I heard him play in a clip not to long ago and it was fantastic. Add to this all the experience that comes with him and probably also his great social skills and knowledge. Hats of to Jay Friedman. Besides the Chicago symphony records I have with him I also have him on several play-a-long records that I've bought on Amazon. I've always loved his sound, especially the way he plays legato. That's something a lot of us trombone players could be envious about. Everything needs to come to an end. Hope I can still make a sound when I'm at his age (if I'm lucky), Unbelievable career!

/Tom

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:22 am

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 12:04 pm

Geezis, that's harsh.

Some people just cannot help themselves. He's one of them. It takes more self control for some to acknowledge greatness than poke fun of someone's age or longevity. Usually comes from someone who could never sustain a job at that level both physically and mentally. Hence the nasty "X-like" social media quip. We should all be so lucky to earn and keep a job for that long.

I think the chicago group will be hard to replace. Humility is maybe their most important skills. Even Herseth told in an interview that the respect, listen to the other players and try to be a part of it, always was his goal. And made him the musician he was. I begin to understand their "wind and song" approach. And pure sound. And I think they used it in the orchestra. A singer do good sound to even short notes. They sustain and make all notes sing. The Chicago players use vibrato when playing solo. And its yes, very singing. All of them. In orchestra not but its still singing. And the intonation? Its unbelievable! Just listen this:

All honor to them all and special Jay Friedman

Leif

Sometimes things don’t come across quite as intended. I like to give the benefit of the doubt.

Savio wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:23 pm

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:22 am
Some people just cannot help themselves. He's one of them. It takes more self control for some to acknowledge greatness than poke fun of someone's age or longevity. Usually comes from someone who could never sustain a job at that level both physically and mentally. Hence the nasty "X-like" social media quip. We should all be so lucky to earn and keep a job for that long.

I think the chicago group will be hard to replace. Humility is maybe their most important skills. Even Herseth told in an interview that the respect, listen to the other players and try to be a part of it, always was his goal. And made him the musician he was. I begin to understand their "wind and song" approach. And pure sound. And I think they used it in the orchestra. A singer do good sound to even short notes. They sustain and make all notes sing. The Chicago players use vibrato when playing solo. And its yes, very singing. All of them. In orchestra not but its still singing. And the intonation? Its unbelievable! Just listen this:

All honor to them all and special Jay Friedman

Leif

Absolutley beautiful. I've heard it before. Clean and pure sound.

/Tom

imsevimse wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:41 pm

Savio wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:23 pm


I think the chicago group will be hard to replace. Humility is maybe their most important skills. Even Herseth told in an interview that the respect, listen to the other players and try to be a part of it, always was his goal. And made him the musician he was. I begin to understand their "wind and song" approach. And pure sound. And I think they used it in the orchestra. A singer do good sound to even short notes. They sustain and make all notes sing. The Chicago players use vibrato when playing solo. And its yes, very singing. All of them. In orchestra not but its still singing. And the intonation? Its unbelievable! Just listen this:

All honor to them all and special Jay Friedman

Leif

Absolutley beautiful. I've heard it before. Clean and pure sound.

/Tom

That was what I learned from him in my lesson with him and then hearing the section in action: they didn’t play all that loud, but they played clear. If you play with a clear sound, you don’t need to play loud, that’s why he was able to have such a long career, he is not expending extra energy producing his sound.

Bach5G wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:25 pm Sometimes things don’t come across quite as intended. I like to give the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you!

Matt K wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:45 am I mean, there are literally countries where it's illegal to work for that long, including the Netherlands, South Korea, and Israel. I'm not a propoent of that viewpoint but it isn't exactly a novel opinion. We recently had a thread about Ben van Dikj having a forced retirement, as he is located in the Netherlands.

Understood. But what does this have to do with someone's rude behavior towards a legendary musician who works well past what many could even achieve?

Because the belief is widely held and as such it's not, in your words, "poking fun of someone... from someone who could never sustain a job", it's merely an observation from someone who holds a fairly popular belief about retirement.

I worked (effectively, I think) ~8 years past my planned retirement. It kept me going and productive (though working also kept me away from playing the trombone for ~25 years. ).

Since I've retired and started playing again (far from the level at which I once played, but I don't think I'm embarrassing myself in front of others), making music gives me great joy.

I hope I'll know when it's time to quit. But not yet!

One of the greatest Principal Trombonists of all time.