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Hi all! Right now, I alternate between using a Bach 5GS and a Helleberg 5E. At times, the 5GS feels slightly too small, and the Helleberg seems slightly too large. I was looking at potentially going with a Hammond 12M, and the dimensions seem to be just a tad larger than the 5GS. I’ve also got a 12XL and despite it being so deep, I really like how it plays. Any thoughts are appreciated!

I'd probably try a 12ML first. It's a little shallower than the average 5G. The M I think would be pretty shallow, maybe more so than a 5GS.

If you like bach mpc you can try a 5gl which is between the 5gs and the 5g

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:40 pm I'd probably try a 12ML first. It's a little shallower than the average 5G. The M I think would be pretty shallow, maybe more so than a 5GS.

I was also thinking of this size but according to the Hammond and Bach specs, the 12M is a little deeper and has a slightly larger rim than the 5GS.

Tbone00 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:15 am If you like bach mpc you can try a 5gl which is between the 5gs and the 5g

I had forgotten about that model! It might be worth a try, but the rim size is the same as the 5GS, so I’m worried it’ll be a bit to small as well.

Hammond 12 size is the same as Bach 5G. If 5G is too small, look at Hammond 11 size (about the same as Bach 4G).

BGuttman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:25 am Hammond 12 size is the same as Bach 5G. If 5G is too small, look at Hammond 11 size (about the same as Bach 4G).

I do have a 12XL from a while back, and I like how that feels rim wise, it’s just way to deep!

BGuttman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:25 am Hammond 12 size is the same as Bach 5G. If 5G is too small, look at Hammond 11 size (about the same as Bach 4G).

I have also tried a 12ML and a 5g and the 12ML rim feels bigger in my lips than a 5g.

Tbone00 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:03 am

BGuttman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:25 am Hammond 12 size is the same as Bach 5G. If 5G is too small, look at Hammond 11 size (about the same as Bach 4G).

I have also tried a 12ML and a 5g and the 12ML rim feels bigger in my lips than a 5g.

Yeah, according to the different specs the Hammond 12 series are about .01 inches larger in diameter than the Bach 5s

Cup-wise, the 12M has a V-shaped cup that would be an E- depth on the Elliot scale. It's shallower than the Bach 5GS, with no shoulders transitioning into the throat. So, 6 1/2 AL depth, but a true funnel shape.

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:40 pm I'd probably try a 12ML first. It's a little shallower than the average 5G. The M I think would be pretty shallow, maybe more so than a 5GS.

I think this is good advice.

I play on an 11ML with my .525 Bore Yamaha, and a large shank 11ML and 11L with various trombones. The ML is really a great piece, and on a small shank, it's pretty close to a 6 1/2 AL in terms of feel.

The Large Shank 11ML is like a 4G rim with a 5G cup, but the cup is a bit more "V" shaped so it plays a bit more compact. The 11L is like a nice 4G, and I found it worked well with Euphonium as well as Trombone. I haven't picked up an 11XL.. yet.

The Helleberg 5E looks pretty huge inside, that classic deep funnel shape, and maybe even larger than the Hammond XL cup.

I really like the way the 12M feels on my face, and it has a much more natural playability. I ended up switching back to my Wick 5ABL because the V-shaped cup of the Hammond was a bit too bright for what I wanted in my sound. I think it's probably a good fit for commercial stuff.

The M is quite shallow. The ML is more in line with a general use piece.

For me I just have to put it in the horn and play it. I jump between the ML and L cups on my large bore set up and play an M cup on small bore.