Olds 1 Comparison
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:30 am
Hi everyone! I was curious if anyone had a modern comparison for the Olds 1 mouthpiece. Specifically the cup depth/shape. Thanks everyone!
JohnL wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:07 pm Here are the only published specs that I can recall seeing:
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds39/olds39_13.htm
EDIT:
Here is the info converted to text:As far as small shank, Olds also produced a 1★, a 3C, and a 12C.TROMBONE MOUTHPIECES
No. 1-Large bore, deep cup, for bass trombone. 1-inch cup diameter and .250-inch throat.
No. 2~-Wide cup dance model. Medium shallow cup 1-inch in diameter with .246-inch bore. Excellent high-register mouthpiece.
No. 3-This is a mouthpiece of average proportions, furnished regularly on Olds trombones. Has ,984-inch cup, medium shallow, with .237-in. bore.
No. 4--Semi cushion, high-register "recording" model with .968-inch cup, rather shallow, and .237-inch bore
No. 5-Wide flat rim, .938-inch diameter, medium shallow with .234-inch bore. Excellent soloist model.
No. 6-Cushion rim model; narrow, shallow cup ,938-inch diameter and .242-inch bore. Extreme high-register model.
In large shank, there are:
15 - about 6.5AL size
20 - about 5G size
G - George Roberts model; about 1.5G size
21 - pretty sure this is the G rebadged after Olds and GR parted ways.
You might see a 10 or an 18 being sold as small shank trombone mouthpieces. The 10 is a baritone horn mouthpiece and the 18 is a baritone bugle mouthpiece.
There was a whole different sizing system up until around 1938 or so.From that era, I've also seen mouthpieces marked 8S, SYM, and N.V. (I suspect the last is someone's initials).Trombone
No. 7 - For high register and solo playing.
No. 8 - Standard medium, as furnished with Olds instruments.
No. 9 - Special "lonq range" design, for featured players.
No. 10 - Medium bore with special muscle fitting rim for rapid technique.
No. 11- Large bore, for big tone and heavy volume.
Notice that both systems have a size 10, but it's pretty easy to see which is which when looking at the mouthpiece.
[Note that the Olds 1 is NOT a "bass trombone" mouthpiece by modern standards! It stems from the day when Olds called any trombone with an F-attachment a "bass."]JohnL wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:07 pm
Here are the only published specs that I can recall seeing:
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds39/olds39_13.htm
TROMBONE MOUTHPIECES
No. 1-Large bore, deep cup, for bass trombone. 1-inch cup diameter and .250-inch throat.
No. 2~-Wide cup dance model. Medium shallow cup 1-inch in diameter with .246-inch bore. Excellent high-register mouthpiece.
No. 3-This is a mouthpiece of average proportions, furnished regularly on Olds trombones. Has ,984-inch cup, medium shallow, with .237-in. bore.
No. 4--Semi cushion, high-register "recording" model with .968-inch cup, rather shallow, and .237-inch bore
No. 5-Wide flat rim, .938-inch diameter, medium shallow with .234-inch bore. Excellent soloist model.
No. 6-Cushion rim model; narrow, shallow cup ,938-inch diameter and .242-inch bore. Extreme high-register model.
As far as small shank, Olds also produced a 1★, a 3C, and a 12C