Bach 16 discontinued?

[andersonmark56]

OK, I'll admit I haven't looked at new trombones in at least 20 years, so pardon me if this sounds naive', but did Bach/Selmer discontinue the 16? They still list the 16M, but I'm just curious. I love my MV 16 and I knew players who played 16's in the past. Again, just curious, so if anyone knows, please reply!

[Burgerbob]

16 has been gone for a while, I think

[TomWest]

Yes, the 12, 16 and 16m are discontinued. I went to the Kessler site and they have them marked as discontinued. The model 36 and 42 are still in production, in both straight tenor or f-rotor models.

[TromboneSam]

The 16M is still in production. It is only listed under LT16M. All Bach 16M’s came with the lightweight slide, but sometimes (especially early on) the nomenclature didn’t include “LT.”

[chromebone]

So I guess at this rate Conn Selmer is just killing off all of their brands little by little. Sounds like a solid business plan.

[Burgerbob]

So I guess at this rate Conn Selmer is just killing off all of their brands little by little. Sounds like a solid business plan.

To be fair, there are quite a few low-volume models (or just, bad ones) they could cut.

[chromebone]

So I guess at this rate Conn Selmer is just killing off all of their brands little by little. Sounds like a solid business plan.

To be fair, there are quite a few low-volume models (or just, bad ones) they could cut.

I get it they maybe no one wants a Holton TR-150 anymore, but surely a Bach 12 or the different variants of the 16 or 2B would still have a market? The fact is, their quality isn’t competitive anymore, so rather than address that, they seem content to discontinue models that should still have a market. Will they even be making the 3b in a few years?

[elmsandr]

To be fair, there are quite a few low-volume models (or just, bad ones) they could cut.

I get it they maybe no one wants a Holton TR-150 anymore, but surely a Bach 12 or the different variants of the 16 or 2B would still have a market? The fact is, their quality isn’t competitive anymore, so rather than address that, they seem content to discontinue models that should still have a market. Will they even be making the 3b in a few years?

The problem with analyzing the business side is that it doesn’t really make sense to be in the business of making top end band instruments.

Is there a market for new 16 variants? One that isn’t already saturated with used by instruments from your own designs?

Is the customer for a new small bore custom really going to be drawn to your designs over new horns from newer manufacturers AND over your old production horns? How many are you going to sell a year? 100? It ain’t 1000. What would you have to spend to make it make sense? And what is the ROI?

Best make sure to not treat it as a business too much or they would just walk away from the whole thing. Just look at the snow mobile market to see that in action.

Cheers,
Andy

[Slidehamilton]

I'm pretty sure that the 12's, 16's and 16M's are still in production. You can buy new ones from various music stores. I have not seen news of them discontinuing these models.